This
is
how
every
indie
hacker
should
grow
their
apps
This
is
Mickey
a
guy
from
Spain
who
launched
his
app
just
seven
months
ago
And
today
he's
already
making
over
40
000
a
month
This
app
was
profitable
from
day
one
But
here's
what
he
did
different
He
didn't
chase
TikTok
trends
or
spend
years
building
a
personal
brand
He
did
it
all
through
a
single
channel
Google
Google
still
works
today
if
you
take
this
approach
So
I
brought
Mickey
onto
the
channel
to
break
it
all
down
for
us
And
in
this
episode
we'll
dive
into
what
every
builder
gets
wrong
about
distribution
the
right
combination
of
organic
and
paid
Google
search
and
the
exact
five
step
playbook
he
used
to
hit
40
000
MRR
in
less
than
a
year
This
one
is
going
to
be
fun
Let's
dive
in
I'm
Pat
Walls
and
this
is
Starter
Story
All
right
real
quick
before
we
dive
in
Mickey
is
about
to
break
down
how
he
broke
40K
a
month
using
Google
search
But
if
you're
watching
this
and
thinking
I
want
to
build
something
but
I
don't
have
an
idea
yet
Well
I've
got
a
free
template
that
will
help
you
find
one
Link
is
right
down
there
in
the
description
but
more
on
that
later
All
right
Mickey
welcome
to
the
channel
Tell
me
about
who
you
are
what
you
built
and
what's
your
story
Hey
Pat
I'm
Mickey
I'm
the
founder
of
Late
a
social
media
API
that
helps
brands
schedule
and
automate
content
across
multiple
platforms
We
went
from
zero
to
30K
MRR
in
just
seven
months
by
focusing
on
Google
search
ads
All
right
cool
I'm
really
excited
to
talk
about
it
We're
going
to
talk
a
lot
about
Google
today
which
I
love
and
I'm
very
excited
about
But
first
before
we
do
that
I
want
to
understand
what
did
you
build
What's
your
product
What's
the
pricing
model
How
does
it
work
So
Late
is
a
social
media
API
What
we
do
is
wrap
around
the
official
APIs
Facebook
Instagram
Twitter
LinkedIn
We
go
through
all
the
platform
permissions
We
basically
pay
for
the
highest
plans
so
that
you
have
access
to
all
the
features
available
hand
it
to
you
in
a
single
API
that
basically
has
access
to
everything
and
without
limits
We
charge
our
users
for
connected
accounts
Basically
we
have
three
plans
We
have
to
build
so
the
users
can
just
start
building
their
integrations
We
go
through
accelerate
for
more
accounts
Then
our
unlimited
plan
allows
you
to
connect
as
many
accounts
as
you
want
So
currently
we
just
crossed
40K
MRR
We
started
around
seven
months
ago
So
we
have
been
growing
pretty
fast
And
well
the
first
clients
started
landing
around
August
last
year
And
today
we
just
crossed
40K
MRR
So
our
total
signups
are
50K
since
launch
We
have
more
than
700
paying
users
for
now
And
our
churn
rate
is
less
than
10
That
is
pretty
amazing
You
were
able
to
do
40K
MRR
in
really
less
than
a
year
That's
really
really
impressive
I'm
excited
to
talk
all
about
Google
and
how
you
did
that
But
before
we
do
I
want
to
understand
how
you
get
here
What
were
you
doing
before
Why
did
you
decide
to
build
a
SaaS
business
How
do
you
get
here
Yeah
before
late
I
spent
over
five
years
experimenting
with
startups
I
started
an
online
tech
company
called
Ucademy
here
in
Spain
We
raised
venture
capital
and
today
has
more
than
100
employees
So
around
a
year
ago
I
got
deeper
into
building
SaaS
products
and
recognized
a
gap
in
the
market
There
was
no
simple
affordable
API
for
social
media
automation
And
while
most
tools
were
either
too
expensive
too
complicated
or
lacked
good
documentation
which
is
essential
for
developers
So
while
this
led
to
the
idea
of
building
Late
an
API
first
platform
designed
to
be
a
developer
friendly
I
started
spending
my
time
on
proven
channels
like
SEO
and
paydads
which
is
basically
what
has
allowed
us
to
hit
40K
MRR
in
seven
months
Okay
cool
So
we're
not
even
going
to
talk
today
much
about
how
you
built
or
anything
like
that
because
I
don't
think
it's
all
that
important
You
have
a
really
cool
approach
here
where
you
basically
said
I
can
build
this
All
I
want
to
do
is
focus
on
distribution
focus
on
how
this
thing
can
grow
in
a
dip
It
got
to
40K
MRR
in
less
than
a
year
What
was
a
high
level
strategy
that
you
had
when
you
went
into
this
and
you
decided
to
build
this
What
was
your
plan
to
grow
it
quickly
So
basically
we
saw
that
social
media
is
noisy
it's
oversaturated
And
while
organic
reach
is
dead
for
most
businesses
and
it's
very
very
difficult
to
work
on
it
there
are
people
that
are
actively
searching
for
social
media
scaling
API
or
Twitter
automation
tool
that
they
have
a
10x
higher
intent
to
buy
So
we
are
actually
here
capturing
the
intent
that
already
exists
rather
than
trying
to
create
it
through
viral
content
We
focus
100
on
high
intent
channels
like
SEO
and
Google
Search
Ads
because
they
have
predictable
unit
economics
and
don't
depend
on
lag
or
trends
And
we
use
data
from
both
channels
to
optimize
landing
pages
messaging
and
we
reinvest
all
our
revenue
into
scaling
what
works
Mickey's
story
is
just
insane
Zero
to
40
000
a
month
in
just
seven
months
is
crazy
impressive
But
here's
what
happens
when
you
get
to
this
sort
of
level
Once
you
start
having
to
close
bigger
customers
things
start
to
get
tricky
It's
not
just
about
whether
your
app
works
or
not
These
customers
want
to
know
if
you're
SOC
2
or
ISO
27001
compliant
And
if
you
can't
say
yes
the
deal
is
probably
dead
This
is
why
we
partnered
with
Vanta
on
this
video
Vanta
automates
the
painful
parts
of
compliance
so
you
can
keep
scaling
instead
of
drowning
in
paperwork
It
hooks
right
into
your
stack
runs
continuous
checks
and
keeps
all
the
evidence
clean
for
the
auditors
Vanta
handles
it
so
you
can
stay
in
growth
mode
Over
14
000
companies
like
Ramp
and
Writer
already
use
Vanta
to
prove
security
in
real
time
And
right
now
Vanta
is
offering
1
000
off
for
Starter
Story
viewers
So
if
you're
scaling
fast
and
want
to
land
customers
without
the
compliance
headache
check
out
Vanta
at
the
first
link
in
the
description
Huge
thank
you
to
Vanta
for
this
partnership
Let's
get
back
to
the
episode
Okay
yeah
and
that's
a
really
really
good
insight
is
a
lot
of
people
think
when
they
get
started
I
need
to
figure
out
10
different
channels
I'm
going
to
have
to
do
Reddit
I
got
to
do
organic
social
I
got
to
do
a
waiting
list
I
got
to
do
all
these
things
I
think
smart
founders
like
you
pick
one
channel
then
maybe
pick
a
couple
ideas
of
what
could
work
But
then
if
something
sort
of
starts
working
they
go
all
in
on
one
channel
They
get
it
to
40k
MRR
And
then
like
you
said
you
get
it
to
a
million
ARR
That
I
think
is
the
right
way
of
thinking
about
channels
So
let's
talk
about
the
channel
that
truly
worked
for
you
which
was
Google
I
know
there
was
a
little
bit
of
organic
but
then
also
you
were
running
paid
ads
as
well
Let's
do
a
deep
dive
into
this
one
channel
that
worked
for
you
So
for
Google
basically
we
create
content
on
a
website
that
is
useful
for
our
users
or
our
target
users
And
some
of
these
gets
on
Google
and
ranks
organically
And
some
of
it
it
doesn't
rank
So
we
run
ads
for
it
Basically
the
same
content
that
is
useful
for
both
purposes
Obviously
we
prefer
it
if
the
pages
show
up
for
the
organic
Google
searches
but
sometimes
it's
not
possible
That's
when
we
run
ads
on
it
Okay
I
like
that
So
really
you're
just
writing
one
article
or
lots
of
articles
that
can
organically
rank
and
then
you
can
run
paid
again
So
you
only
really
have
to
do
one
sort
of
action
Let's
dive
into
the
organic
stuff
Can
you
break
down
what
works
on
the
organic
side
Basically
for
the
organic
side
we
just
focus
on
very
bottom
of
the
funnel
keywords
We
use
tools
like
Ahrefs
to
find
keywords
with
300
800
monthly
searches
that
have
low
competition
but
that
they
are
very
very
high
intent
We
just
target
terms
like
social
media
API
scheduling
API
for
Twitter
and
things
like
that
Then
we
create
content
We
write
in
depth
guides
that
answer
the
user's
intent
For
example
how
to
scale
on
Instagram
posts
automatically
And
we
also
try
and
maintain
a
clean
site
structure
fast
load
times
and
mobile
optimization
proper
metadata
We
also
do
link
building
We've
built
bug
links
through
tools
and
also
by
reaching
out
manually
to
other
people
and
paying
them
And
we
track
everything
all
our
rankings
with
Ahrefs
and
Google
Search
Console
and
basically
constantly
optimize
our
CTR
based
on
the
results
This
has
already
produced
more
than
8K
MRR
in
organic
revenue
Okay
so
you
write
these
articles
they
essentially
rank
for
free
through
Google's
organic
search
So
this
generates
around
8
000
in
new
customers
per
month
What
about
the
rest
of
the
revenue
How's
that
happening
So
they
happen
through
Google
Search
Ads
which
are
our
guaranteed
revenue
engine
So
while
ICO
compounds
over
time
paid
search
gives
us
immediate
results
and
feedback
So
here's
our
strategy
We
bid
on
high
intent
commercial
keywords
the
same
that
we
are
trying
to
rank
organically
for
We
create
landing
pages
for
each
one
of
them
So
each
ad
group
has
its
custom
landing
page
tailored
to
the
keyword
and
the
intent
For
example
Instagram
API
has
a
specific
page
for
Instagram
We
automate
everything
through
Google
Ads
We
use
automated
bidding
which
sets
a
target
CPA
at
120
which
is
our
average
catch
threshold
Google's
algorithm
optimizes
bids
to
hit
this
target
And
on
the
ad
copy
we
basically
focus
on
value
For
example
scale
30
days
of
social
media
in
one
hour
reach
100K
followers
fast
with
our
API
On
the
testing
side
we
do
continuous
A
B
testing
of
headlines
descriptions
and
landing
pages
everything
tracked
through
Postcode
Currently
we
spend
around
8
000
per
month
We
get
2
5
in
revenue
for
every
dollar
spent
Monthly
revenue
from
paid
search
is
around
15K
MRR
I
love
what
Mickey
is
showing
us
right
now
He
just
found
one
channel
that
works
and
he's
going
all
in
But
here's
the
thing
Before
you
get
into
growth
you
still
need
to
build
something
And
if
you're
watching
this
and
still
feeling
stuck
on
that
step
well
I
have
something
for
you
I
put
together
our
free
business
idea
template
and
it
walks
you
through
seven
proven
methods
to
find
painful
problems
that
people
actually
want
solved
In
under
one
hour
you
will
map
out
21
problems
worth
solving
and
then
pick
the
one
that
you
should
go
build
Sometimes
the
best
ideas
are
hiding
in
plain
sight
And
this
template
gives
you
a
simple
system
to
spot
them
So
head
to
the
first
link
in
the
description
grab
the
template
for
free
and
potentially
find
your
next
idea
All
right
let's
get
back
into
the
episode
Okay
well
I
mean
I
like
that
It's
cool
like
you
can
just
do
the
organic
thing
and
do
this
8K
and
you'd
have
8K
MRR
but
you're
sort
of
again
treating
it
like
a
math
problem
You're
pouring
a
little
bit
of
gasoline
on
the
fire
And
when
you
see
certain
keywords
working
in
paid
then
you're
channeling
maybe
more
articles
or
more
keywords
around
organic
and
then
those
feed
them
back
So
what
I
think
our
audience
will
love
to
hear
from
you
could
you
break
down
this
strategy
step
by
step
Imagine
you
have
a
brand
new
SaaS
it's
ready
to
go
You
have
an
MVP
ready
to
go
It's
a
decent
product
Maybe
you
got
a
few
customers
What
would
be
your
step
by
step
process
to
get
started
on
this
Google
strategy
in
2026
So
for
step
one
you
just
basically
find
your
core
keywords
that
are
high
intent
and
are
very
very
close
to
your
value
proposition
You
can
use
Ahrefs
you
can
use
SEMrush
I
mean
there
are
some
very
very
core
keywords
that
you
don't
have
to
search
for
You
already
know
that
they
are
very
related
to
your
product
For
example
for
us
it's
social
media
API
It's
very
very
obvious
So
you
know
that
these
keywords
are
being
searched
and
you
basically
create
a
spreadsheet
with
them
the
monthly
search
volume
that
they
have
and
the
difficulty
And
you
focus
on
these
keywords
and
nothing
else
and
basically
try
and
work
towards
ranking
for
them
within
three
to
six
months
For
step
two
just
focus
on
creating
content
for
the
keywords
that
you've
found
Make
sure
that
it's
high
quality
content
It
can
be
a
blog
a
landing
page
or
just
a
free
tool
And
well
just
add
a
big
CTA
to
your
sign
in
page
so
that
you
get
sign
ups
for
this
traffic
And
basically
then
you
can
just
add
internal
linking
link
to
other
pieces
of
content
on
your
site
And
you
try
and
do
that
through
the
first
week
So
you
try
and
push
10
to
15
high
quality
articles
in
the
first
week
to
build
momentum
It's
also
important
that
you
don't
create
too
much
content
And
also
Google
doesn't
like
that
so
it's
better
to
have
quality
content
For
step
three
you
just
start
launching
your
ads
ads
with
the
data
and
the
content
that
you
already
have
So
basically
set
up
a
Google
Ads
account
create
some
ad
groups
based
on
these
keywords
that
you
are
also
targeting
with
the
organic
content
You
create
three
to
five
variations
of
the
copy
Just
focus
on
value
propositions
more
than
just
stating
the
features
And
step
four
just
optimize
and
scale
scale
based
on
the
data
that
you
have
You
identify
what's
working
you
identify
the
keywords
that
are
bringing
new
customers
and
you
try
and
optimize
for
this
You
just
can't
forget
about
the
rest
rest
because
the
ones
that
are
converting
converting
are
the
ones
that
really
matter
to
you
You
can
post
the
performing
keywords
and
just
double
down
on
the
high
ROI
keywords
And
then
you
can
just
start
testing
Date
the
headlines
date
the
copy
and
add
CTAs
based
on
what
converts
best
Then
just
try
and
increase
the
budget
month
over
month
as
long
as
the
return
on
this
ad
spend
is
working
In
step
five
just
track
and
try
and
improve
your
cost
of
acquisition
So
now
you
can
just
set
a
dashboard
either
in
Google
Sheets
Data
Studio
or
any
tool
that
you
like
You
can
start
tracking
the
cost
of
acquisition
return
on
ad
spend
the
revenue
and
the
traffic
per
channel
Then
you
can
just
start
benchmarking
against
what's
working
Good
CAC
is
24
of
the
lifetime
value
and
your
goal
is
basically
to
keep
CAC
under
30
of
the
first
year
revenue
Every
month
you
can
just
A
B
test
link
viewers
add
copy
landing
pages
based
on
what
worked
last
month
So
that
would
be
my
five
step
playbook
if
I
would
be
starting
over
again
Okay
well
thank
you
for
sharing
that
Great
playbook
I
love
Google
This
is
awesome
Thanks
for
breaking
it
all
down
for
us
Let's
switch
topics
a
little
bit
and
talk
about
the
product
that
you
built
Could
you
give
us
a
demo
I
just
wanna
see
what
this
thing
looks
like
how
it
works
and
yeah
could
you
show
it
Sure
So
our
app
is
nothing
fancy
really
On
the
UI
we
just
have
a
social
media
scheduler
Basically
everything
that
you
can
do
through
the
API
you
can
also
do
through
our
UI
So
it's
very
very
simple
You
can
just
from
here
create
new
posts
and
yeah
basically
just
select
the
accounts
that
you
want
this
content
to
go
to
We
also
have
here
the
option
to
connect
all
your
accounts
and
handle
all
your
accounts
from
the
UI
Here
you
can
also
create
new
API
keys
So
as
a
developer
you
can
just
basically
handle
all
your
APIs
from
here
We
also
have
here
an
inbox
feature
that
basically
allows
you
to
handle
all
your
DMs
and
comments
through
the
UI
The
rest
of
the
platforms
you
can
set
up
webhooks
You
get
notifications
when
a
post
fails
or
when
a
post
succeeds
for
an
account
to
get
disconnected
You
can
also
check
all
the
logs
from
your
publishing
activity
to
see
well
if
you
have
errors
or
you
view
if
everything
is
working
correctly
And
then
from
here
you
just
can
access
the
API
docs
which
are
well
very
important
because
you'll
be
building
an
integration
And
this
is
what
we
try
and
spend
the
most
time
on
so
that
well
it's
very
very
straightforward
for
you
to
learn
and
start
using
Okay
cool
And
on
a
similar
note
how
did
you
build
this
What
tech
stack
did
you
use
What
runs
the
business
How'd
you
build
it
So
most
important
thing
that
we
use
is
cloud
code
So
we
can
code
much
faster
We
also
use
DataFast
It
helps
us
track
what's
bringing
revenue
and
what's
not
We
also
use
Google
Ads
spend
up
to
8
000
per
month
We
also
use
Ahrefs
which
is
around
200
per
month
And
this
is
essential
for
us
for
insights
monitoring
on
the
organic
side
Okay
cool
Well
thanks
for
sharing
that
Last
question
that
we
ask
all
founders
who
come
on
to
Starter
Story
who
built
cool
stuff
like
you
what
would
be
your
advice
to
young
Mickey
before
you
got
started
Or
for
anyone
watching
that
wants
to
get
started
and
build
cool
SaaS
like
this
and
learn
Google
what
would
be
your
advice
My
advice
would
be
to
just
stop
trying
to
be
everything
to
everyone
When
I
realized
that
basically
picking
one
growth
channel
and
getting
really
good
at
it
in
our
case
it's
paid
search
it
was
a
hundred
times
better
than
being
mediocre
at
10
channels
So
my
advice
would
be
just
pick
your
single
best
level
for
growth
get
obsessed
with
it
and
measure
it
relentlessly
And
that's
great
advice
As
I
kind
of
mentioned
before
you
can
win
with
just
one
channel
right
You
can
build
a
million
dollar
business
You
can
build
a
10
million
business
maybe
even
a
hundred
million
dollar
business
with
just
one
channel
So
if
anyone's
watching
this
and
you
take
one
thing
away
from
that
here's
proof
of
that
Thank
you
Mickey
for
coming
on
and
sharing
awesome
business
Hope
to
see
you
grow
Thank
you
for
having
me
Okay
producer
Gus
what'd
you
think
about
that
one
I
thought
it
was
really
cool
I
think
we
talked
to
someone
else
recently
like
that
was
very
similar
but
like
it's
very
systematized
right
He
has
like
a
super
solid
system
I
think
for
you
know
whatever
finding
the
keywords
ranking
them
and
then
running
paid
search
on
them
So
I
thought
that
was
really
awesome
just
to
hear
kind
of
that
system
And
I
feel
like
so
many
of
the
great
founders
we
talked
to
like
have
something
like
that
where
they
have
like
this
methodical
approach
like
we
don't
get
lucky
like
it's
all
math
And
I
was
like
wow
that's
awesome
Yeah
that's
what
I
like
about
Google
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
talking
about
organic
TikTok
and
these
sorts
of
things
things
or
AI
and
you
know
all
this
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
Google
is
like
a
very
very
tried
and
true
acquisition
channel
for
a
lot
of
businesses
At
the
end
of
the
day
this
is
a
great
distribution
strategy
or
marketing
strategy
for
people
that
don't
want
to
go
on
camera
and
want
to
you
know
know
maybe
they're
a
little
bit
more
of
a
finance
type
and
enjoy
putting
together
spreadsheets
of
keywords
and
seeing
intent
and
looking
at
the
numbers
Not
everyone
is
meant
to
be
on
camera
and
create
viral
content
This
is
this
is
a
real
solid
plan
that
he
put
together
and
his
playbook
was
especially
good
I
think
you
can
really
do
this
with
pretty
much
any
SaaS
specifically
B2B
SaaS
more
so
But
I
really
think
that
this
could
work
and
is
a
great
first
channel
Yeah
and
then
the
other
thing
I
was
thinking
about
was
like
on
Twitter
you'll
see
how
many
people
are
talking
about
how
like
Google
search
is
dead
or
like
Google
SEO
is
dead
kind
of
thing
I
think
we've
even
done
like
some
videos
on
the
build
channel
on
that
topic
but
I
don't
know
I
guess
What
do
you
think
about
that
Like
is
this
kind
of
showing
that
maybe
it's
not
this
as
true
Or
what
do
you
were
like
What
do
you
think
Here's
the
truth
Google
search
is
not
dead
but
informational
queries
are
dead
So
if
you
search
not
dead
but
essentially
dead
if
you
search
Google
for
how
to
create
a
great
social
media
post
that
you're
probably
not
going
to
rank
it's
going
to
be
harder
to
rank
for
that
And
those
people
are
coming
for
information
on
how
to
create
a
good
social
media
post
They're
just
going
to
use
chat
GPT
for
that
right
To
get
a
more
customized
way
better
answer
But
if
they're
searching
for
things
like
social
media
scheduler
there
may
put
that
into
more
so
into
AI
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
it's
still
the
same
Like
they're
going
to
put
that
into
Google
They're
going
to
put
that
into
the
AI
They're
going
to
click
in
through
to
your
software
and
buy
it
Yeah
there's
an
argument
that
one
day
you'll
be
able
to
put
it
into
AI
and
it'll
write
all
the
code
and
create
the
whole
app
for
you
But
right
now
still
people
need
tools
and
intent
based
There's
informational
queries
and
then
maybe
you
call
it
intent
based
queries
People
are
still
searching
things
for
like
I
need
insurance
I
need
a
social
media
scheduling
tool
I
need
some
clothing
or
something
like
that
So
the
SEO
is
dead
is
more
around
informational
based
queries
Yeah
I
mean
I
find
myself
using
like
chat
GPT
a
lot
more
for
search
but
sometimes
when
I
even
when
I'm
still
looking
for
like
a
tool
or
something
to
buy
I
almost
still
go
to
Google
Google
instead
of
chat
because
I
don't
know
I
feel
like
Google
has
something
it'll
really
show
me
versus
chat
will
just
like
list
out
whatever
the
answer
without
not
always
with
like
a
link
Anyway
yeah
I
thought
that
was
interesting
to
see
that
that
still
works
if
you
do
it
kind
of
in
this
mathematical
way
OK
cool
Well
SEO
and
Google
still
works
but
you
need
to
build
something
So
I
will
shamelessly
plug
a
starter
story
build
right
here
If
you
want
to
find
that
idea
that
you
can
eventually
put
into
the
Google
playbook
check
out
starter
story
build
I'll
put
a
link
in
the
description
for
that
We
will
help
you
come
up
with
your
idea
build
it
with
just
AI
tools
You
don't
even
need
to
know
how
to
code
and
get
it
in
the
hands
of
real
customers
I'll
put
that
link
down
there
Thank
you
guys
for
watching
We'll
see
you
in
the
next
one
Peace