Meet
Nick
a
founder
from
Ukraine
who
built
an
app
that
solved
his
own
problem
Your
app
should
be
the
best
one
for
one
specific
person
But
what
he
didn't
realize
was
that
hundreds
of
other
people
felt
the
same
way
I
built
something
better
faster
and
cheaper
than
the
competition
So
he
built
it
in
six
weeks
launched
it
And
today
this
micro
SaaS
makes
over
16
000
a
month
I
did
a
bunch
of
research
and
could
not
find
a
solution
Most
founders
try
to
build
a
tool
for
everyone
But
Nick
took
a
different
approach
He
picked
one
painfully
specific
niche
and
owned
it
completely
So
I
brought
Nick
onto
the
channel
to
break
down
his
exact
process
for
building
a
niche
micro
SaaS
And
in
this
video
we'll
dive
into
how
he
found
an
idea
that
ended
up
being
a
gold
mine
why
he
decided
to
keep
going
even
when
his
launch
generated
zero
dollars
and
his
seven
step
framework
for
building
a
micro
SaaS
in
2026
This
is
one
of
my
favorite
SaaS
interviews
that
we've
done
so
you
can't
miss
it
I'm
Pat
Walls
and
this
is
Starter
Story
Real
quick
guys
before
we
get
into
the
interview
Nick
is
an
amazing
example
of
someone
who
built
a
micro
SaaS
to
solve
a
very
very
tiny
problem
You're
going
to
learn
all
about
why
that's
important
and
how
he
did
it
and
how
you
can
too
And
if
you
watch
this
video
and
get
inspired
to
build
then
you
should
definitely
check
out
Starter
Story
Build
I'll
put
a
link
in
the
description
but
you
can
click
that
link
and
get
started
building
your
app
right
now
All
right
let's
get
into
the
interview
All
right
Nick
welcome
to
the
channel
Stoked
to
have
you
here
Tell
me
about
who
you
are
what
you
built
and
what's
your
story
I'm
Nick
I
built
a
Pinterest
marketing
tool
to
scratch
my
own
itch
and
I
grew
it
to
16K
MRR
over
the
last
two
years
Today
I'm
excited
to
share
about
my
experience
building
this
app
and
how
I
picked
this
niche
market
I'm
pumped
to
have
you
on
I
really
really
like
this
niche
niche
that
you
picked
and
we're
going
to
talk
all
about
that
But
before
we
do
can
you
share
with
me
what
you
built
how
much
revenue
you're
making
and
could
you
your
Stripe
and
other
dashboards
to
show
us
that
this
is
legit
So
Pinterest
is
like
Google
but
for
images
There
are
more
than
500
million
active
users
on
Pinterest
and
they're
actively
looking
for
stuff
I
built
a
Pinterest
automation
tool
which
can
create
Pinterest
pins
for
your
website
A
person
sees
them
on
Pinterest
and
goes
to
your
website
Designing
Pinterest
pins
manually
takes
like
five
to
ten
minutes
to
design
every
single
pin
And
to
grow
on
Pinterest
you
probably
need
to
have
like
five
to
ten
pins
per
day
so
it
accumulates
pretty
fast
With
Block2Pin
you
can
create
your
whole
schedule
for
months
or
two
months
in
just
like
a
few
minutes
and
it
looks
pretty
good
We
operate
on
a
SaaS
model
and
people
on
the
starter
plan
they
pay
around
39
a
month
And
if
they
want
to
scale
they
either
buy
agency
plan
or
enterprise
plan
And
regarding
MRR
I'm
a
bit
above
16k
MRR
As
you
can
see
I
have
more
than
400
active
subscribers
My
churn
is
around
I
also
used
to
have
a
lemon
squeezy
as
my
payment
provider
so
I
still
have
a
few
monthly
recurring
revenue
there
And
regarding
my
traffic
my
traffic
is
pretty
stable
400
300
500
Maybe
it
grew
a
bit
in
the
last
few
months
but
it's
all
very
steady
And
over
the
months
it
compounds
and
grows
into
a
pretty
sustainable
business
I
really
like
what
you
built
I
think
that's
super
cool
We're
going
to
get
on
to
it
But
before
we
do
I
want
to
understand
about
your
background
How
do
you
get
into
building
apps
Do
you
have
a
developer
background
How
do
you
get
here
I
learned
software
engineering
when
I
was
15
I
actually
got
my
first
software
engineer
job
as
soon
as
I
graduated
from
school
And
I've
always
wanted
to
build
a
big
corporate
software
background
I
wanted
to
work
in
Google
like
SpaceX
I
don't
know
big
big
those
companies
Unfortunately
in
2022
in
my
home
country
the
war
started
and
it
made
my
life
much
worse
I've
had
a
long
depression
and
understood
that
probably
like
corporate
path
is
not
a
good
one
for
me
But
luckily
in
like
half
a
year
I
found
an
indie
hackers
community
And
also
I
saw
the
ChargeUPT
launch
and
I
understood
that
I
can
make
pretty
good
money
and
have
a
pretty
good
life
building
the
apps
on
my
own
So
I
decided
to
ride
that
AI
wave
I
created
a
few
apps
and
they
all
failed
I
made
zero
revenue
Then
I
tried
something
different
I
decided
to
create
an
AI
blog
about
my
passion
cocktails
I
tried
bringing
traffic
to
that
website
via
all
the
different
possible
methods
I
tried
Google
I
tried
Instagram
Facebook
Pinterest
everything
And
Pinterest
worked
the
best
for
me
I've
tried
hiring
the
person
to
do
the
job
there
to
create
Pinterest
pins
And
I
understood
that
I
can
probably
automate
it
and
made
the
first
blog
to
pin
version
in
around
two
months
That's
awesome
I
love
that
you
had
a
bunch
of
failed
ideas
Then
you
just
said
screw
it
I'm
going
to
start
blogging
You
tried
to
grow
that
blog
and
then
Pinterest
work
And
now
you're
here
with
a
Pinterest
SaaS
So
that's
super
cool
We're
going
to
get
into
how
to
find
the
right
idea
which
I
think
you
might
have
some
good
ideas
on
But
before
we
do
let's
talk
about
the
build
You
said
you
built
this
in
less
than
two
months
Can
you
walk
me
through
that
I
got
this
idea
back
in
December
2023
I
had
a
9
to
5
back
then
So
I
was
building
on
nights
and
weekends
I
started
building
using
GitHub
Copilot
back
then
I
didn't
use
Cursor
Output
didn't
exist
or
some
other
fancy
AI
tools
Unfortunately
as
I
had
a
job
and
the
goal
was
pretty
complex
and
AI
was
not
that
good
it
took
me
around
two
months
to
finally
get
it
done
I
got
a
scrappy
version
built
in
seven
days
but
I
couldn't
make
it
to
a
real
product
and
had
to
rewrite
most
of
it
I
launched
with
a
lifetime
deal
because
I
didn't
really
expect
anyone
to
buy
it
However
I
still
had
1
000
followers
on
Twitter
back
then
I
saw
my
friends
going
viral
with
different
launches
so
I
kind
of
hoped
it
would
happen
But
really
nothing
happened
I
had
to
wait
for
my
first
paying
customers
for
10
days
I
switched
to
the
regular
subscription
model
improved
the
product
And
in
one
month
I
slowly
started
getting
first
real
customers
What
I
love
about
Nick's
story
is
that
he
wasn't
trying
to
build
a
product
for
everyone
He
picked
a
specific
niche
and
solved
a
real
problem
better
than
anyone
else
But
as
Nick
started
landing
more
customers
he
ran
into
something
that
every
fast
growing
startup
probably
hits
eventually
If
Nick
wanted
to
sell
his
software
anywhere
in
Europe
he
would
need
to
have
proper
GDPR
compliance
And
that's
critical
if
you
wanted
to
grow
that
market
segment
but
also
incredibly
distracting
when
all
you
want
to
do
is
just
build
cool
stuff
Well
that's
where
Delve
comes
in
the
sponsor
for
today's
video
Delve
is
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Their
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They'll
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And
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With
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the
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Thank
you
Delve
for
sponsoring
today's
video
Let's
get
back
to
the
episode
Super
cool
how
fast
you
built
this
even
though
maybe
it
didn't
feel
that
fast
for
you
and
you
had
to
start
over
you
still
got
it
out
there
I
think
what's
interesting
is
that
you
launched
and
didn't
really
see
the
success
that
you
wanted
to
see
and
it
did
take
a
little
bit
more
time
So
what
changed
from
that
launch
to
actually
starting
to
get
customers
a
little
bit
slowly
How
did
you
grow
this
thing
to
now
over
16
000
a
month
MRR
My
three
best
marketing
channels
so
far
are
Word
of
Mouth
Affiliates
and
SEO
or
ChargePT
and
other
like
LLMs
recommending
me
I
take
a
deep
care
about
everyone
using
the
app
I
review
screen
recordings
of
what
they
do
when
something
happens
with
their
account
or
they
don't
see
the
growth
on
Pinterest
I
take
a
look
at
what
happened
Maybe
they
need
to
adjust
their
strategy
When
they
need
any
feature
I
just
build
it
in
a
few
hours
or
days
and
people
really
feel
it
when
you
care
and
they'd
be
extremely
happy
to
share
a
word
recommend
it
to
their
friends
etc
And
it
becomes
a
snowball
at
some
point
where
people
just
start
using
your
app
and
you
have
no
idea
who
they
are
SEO
and
ChargePT
are
also
very
similar
I
did
a
lot
of
green
in
the
beginning
I
created
all
the
articles
I
reached
out
to
influencers
I
posted
a
lot
on
Reddit
etc
Getting
all
the
backlinks
is
also
a
struggle
struggle
but
at
some
point
people
just
keep
coming
to
your
website
and
buying
on
autopilot
That's
the
marketing
I
try
to
go
for
kind
of
asymmetric
one
where
you
do
a
lot
of
things
in
the
beginning
you
struggle
a
lot
lot
but
then
as
it
goes
further
you
just
keep
getting
customers
on
autopilot
There
really
was
no
hack
to
growing
this
thing
right
Just
experiencing
this
pain
in
the
beginning
and
doing
a
bunch
of
things
possible
But
now
the
customers
just
come
naturally
from
word
of
mouth
mouth
and
you're
mentioned
in
LLMs
There's
no
secret
hack
That
shows
me
that
you're
building
a
really
really
good
business
that
solves
a
really
really
core
problem
And
you
sort
of
talked
about
that
already
So
what
would
be
your
advice
for
people
to
find
a
similar
idea
or
a
similar
niche
to
build
in
I
just
think
it's
important
to
build
different
stuff
and
you
never
know
what
your
true
idea
will
look
like
and
just
find
what
you
love
try
to
solve
these
kinds
of
problems
And
then
eventually
in
the
process
you'll
find
something
boring
something
you'd
be
happy
to
pay
someone
money
for
and
you'd
be
able
to
automate
it
with
your
own
product
So
for
Block2Pin
I
chose
this
market
because
I
felt
the
pain
myself
There
was
a
tedious
process
where
people
were
doing
it
over
and
over
again
And
now
Block2Pin
does
it
better
faster
and
cheaper
For
anyone
watching
who
may
feel
like
they
have
that
idea
or
they
have
a
place
that
they
want
to
build
in
they
see
a
pretty
good
niche
What
would
be
your
playbook
if
you
were
starting
over
from
scratch
to
know
that
it
is
worth
it
to
go
all
in
and
build
something
in
this
space
What
would
you
do
if
you
had
to
start
over
and
build
a
SaaS
in
2026
The
first
step
is
find
something
people
already
do
and
something
people
already
pay
for
If
you
come
up
with
a
completely
unique
experience
something
people
have
never
done
before
it
will
be
extremely
hard
to
find
customers
to
find
even
someone
to
talk
to
to
sell
it
to
someone
especially
as
an
indie
hacker
Second
step
is
Google
what
already
exists
on
the
market
Research
their
G2
reviews
maybe
AppSumo
reviews
Captera
If
there
are
any
YouTube
videos
watch
every
single
one
of
them
and
understand
what
are
the
pain
points
what
people
say
they
don't
like
about
the
tool
etc
Also
review
how
your
competitors
use
AI
It's
possible
that
they
don't
automate
anything
using
AI
or
it's
not
the
core
part
of
their
product
because
it's
hard
for
a
big
company
to
change
their
entire
flow
eliminate
90
of
complexity
and
make
the
app
better
Based
on
your
research
come
up
with
requirements
for
your
MVP
If
you
did
your
homework
right
your
MVP
should
be
faster
cheaper
and
better
for
some
specific
niche
You
should
have
a
clear
picture
of
a
person
who
benefits
from
your
app
Your
app
should
be
the
best
for
that
specific
person
It
will
be
an
absolute
disaster
for
everyone
else
Step
three
create
MVP
With
Cloud
Code
it
can
be
done
in
one
to
two
weeks
maximum
Step
four
you
need
to
talk
to
ICP
you
pictured
Find
them
wherever
you
can
Reddit
xcode
reach
record
YouTube
videos
TikToks
Reels
find
some
random
Facebook
groups
etc
If
you
did
your
job
well
your
ICP
will
be
happy
to
try
the
app
out
because
it's
better
than
the
competition
it's
faster
than
the
competition
and
it's
cheaper
than
the
competition
Only
an
idiot
will
refuse
it
In
reality
you'd
probably
face
issues
Maybe
your
understanding
of
ICP
was
wrong
In
this
case
you
need
to
adjust
the
app
or
adjust
the
ICP
Maybe
you
can't
reach
your
target
customers
or
something
else
I
don't
think
it's
possible
to
automate
this
step
unless
you're
lucky
Personally
I'm
not
It's
impossible
to
hide
behind
directory
submissions
or
product
hunt
launch
or
viral
X
launch
You'd
need
to
find
a
real
human
who
benefits
from
what
you
created
Step
five
as
you
found
that
person
congratulations
treat
him
as
your
employer
Review
everything
he
did
ask
for
the
feedback
If
he
has
any
suggestions
implement
it
on
the
same
day
and
your
job
is
to
make
sure
he's
100
satisfied
Step
six
eventually
as
you
do
it
for
a
few
dozen
people
your
app
will
get
better
for
your
ICP
It
will
have
a
true
value
Those
customers
will
become
your
fans
You'd
understand
where
exactly
they
hang
out
They'll
recommend
you
to
your
friends
etc
Step
seven
at
this
point
it's
important
to
still
keep
working
on
your
app
and
improving
it
by
1
every
day
Maybe
improving
the
churn
rate
or
the
onboarding
or
the
emails
you've
sent
Everything
you
can
If
you
keep
adding
one
paying
customers
every
day
and
you
have
around
10
monthly
churn
you'd
have
around
200
paying
customers
by
the
end
of
the
year
If
each
one
pays
you
50
you'd
have
a
10
000
MRR
business
I
think
it's
feasible
for
almost
any
niche
as
long
as
you
truly
solve
someone's
problem
Well
thanks
for
sharing
that
playbook
That
was
amazing
I
especially
liked
what
you
said
about
try
to
avoid
hiding
behind
directory
submissions
and
product
launches
and
just
try
to
help
one
person
and
solve
their
problem
I
think
that's
really
powerful
I'd
love
to
see
a
demo
of
your
app
Could
you
just
show
off
what
you've
built
I
think
it'd
be
cool
to
see
what
you've
built
built
and
how
you
built
it
As
soon
as
a
person
signs
up
I
ask
him
to
add
a
website
There
are
a
few
different
options
I
choose
the
first
one
Now
just
add
any
website
Hit
continue
Around
a
minute
I'll
scan
your
website
understand
what
it's
about
and
create
a
few
Pinterest
pins
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
These
are
the
images
from
my
website
I
can
see
them
I
can
make
some
changes
if
I
want
These
are
the
kind
of
pins
pins
which
would
work
exceptionally
well
on
Pinterest
Then
the
person
can
go
to
his
onboarding
as
he's
seen
what
the
app
is
capable
of
He
specifies
different
settings
how
many
pins
he
wants
to
pin
chooses
for
which
specific
pages
he
wants
to
create
pins
for
chooses
which
kind
of
Pinterest
boards
he
wants
to
pin
for
and
then
we
kick
off
the
full
pin
generation
one
month
in
advance
In
a
few
minutes
he'll
have
a
schedule
something
like
that
when
there
are
dozens
of
pins
on
each
day
and
they
all
look
different
They
all
look
unique
They
all
are
very
SEO
optimized
for
Pinterest
There
are
of
course
more
to
that
A
person
can
also
take
a
look
at
the
analytics
look
at
what
exact
pins
are
working
So
it's
a
lot
more
than
just
a
dumb
scheduler
but
the
very
simple
value
for
a
person
person
is
presented
right
away
that
he
can
get
a
lot
of
pins
pins
scheduled
for
him
in
a
few
minutes
Looks
super
cool
How
did
you
build
it
What
tech
stack
do
you
use
I
use
Verso
to
host
my
web
app
I
use
Hetzner
to
run
scrapers
on
my
server
I
use
Oxylabs
for
proxies
I
use
Gemini
for
AI
text
and
Hell
ai
for
generating
AI
images
And
I
use
Sequency
for
sending
different
emails
and
preventing
charm
Thanks
for
sharing
that
Last
question
that
we
ask
everyone
who
comes
on
Starter
Story
What
would
be
your
advice
to
young
Nick
before
you
found
this
idea
Or
what
would
be
your
advice
to
anyone
watching
this
that
wants
to
build
a
successful
micro
SaaS
like
you
have
Try
different
things
out
And
once
you
are
ready
pick
one
niche
solve
one
specific
pain
point
and
stick
with
it
for
at
least
a
few
months
It
doesn't
mean
you
should
just
be
building
features
in
silence
Try
different
marketing
angles
outreach
to
people
on
X
Reddit
via
email
record
YouTube
videos
do
everything
you
can
to
reach
out
to
your
target
audience
and
build
features
to
stand
out
for
them
Eventually
you'll
find
something
that
works
and
you
just
need
to
double
down
on
that
Well
thanks
Nick
for
coming
onto
the
channel
and
sharing
all
this
Awesome
story
Awesome
business
It's
going
to
keep
growing
I'm
excited
to
see
So
thanks
for
coming
on
and
sharing
everything
Thank
you
What
did
you
think
about
this
one
Man
that
was
really
awesome
When
I
first
talked
to
him
in
the
preparation
for
this
interview
I
was
really
blown
away
I
guess
by
just
how
niche
this
tool
is
It
feels
random
I
think
that's
probably
what
I
was
like
crazy
that
this
guy's
making
16k
a
month
month
with
like
a
Pinterest
blogging
automation
tool
I
know
of
Pinterest
automation
tools
from
like
seven
years
ago
that
were
crushing
it
too
And
it
shows
that
hey
sometimes
these
new
ideas
don't
need
to
be
crazy
new
concepts
Like
he
sort
of
mentioned
it
a
little
bit
but
he
said
like
I
just
added
like
an
AI
element
I
helped
use
like
generative
AI
And
now
he's
crushing
it
It's
easy
to
like
underestimate
tools
that
you
don't
use
but
how
big
those
actually
are
And
that's
the
thing
too
is
like
you
hear
this
you
may
hear
oh
16
000
a
month
month
That's
not
as
much
as
you
know
some
guy
that
did
an
AI
tool
that's
making
40
50
million
dollars
a
year
But
this
is
a
business
that
is
going
to
go
like
this
like
slowly
grow
and
have
low
return
because
it's
a
mature
market
You
know
that
these
Pinterest
people
have
been
there
for
10
years
and
it's
a
totally
proven
thing
It's
not
like
some
AI
tool
that's
a
flash
in
the
pan
It's
going
to
die
tomorrow
You
can't
really
look
at
the
MRR
You
look
at
the
growth
and
the
churn
especially
when
you're
looking
at
SaaS
business
like
this
which
is
why
I
think
this
might
be
one
of
the
most
valuable
interviews
that
we've
done
Totally
If
you
are
excited
about
building
something
similar
you
want
to
take
an
old
idea
and
put
an
AI
spin
on
it
Well
the
perfect
place
to
do
that
is
Starter
Story
Build
You
can
click
the
link
in
the
description
right
now
and
get
started
on
your
idea
It
will
help
you
find
your
idea
build
your
idea
and
get
it
in
the
hands
of
real
users
Just
like
Nick
said
it
wasn't
about
hiding
behind
a
product
on
launch
It
was
about
getting
it
in
the
hands
of
one
user
that
was
genuinely
solving
their
problem
That's
what
Starter
Story
Build
is
all
about
So
what
are
you
waiting
for
All
right
guys
I'll
see
you
in
the
next
one
Peace